tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post3098626536299667993..comments2009-01-27T12:04:07.469-06:00JCEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02600934973381606458julielynn1009@yahoo.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-80790369536532304622009-01-27T12:04:00.000-06:002009-01-27T12:04:00.000-06:00"Once you stop forcing me to go to your schools (or to pay for them), we're all set."<BR/><BR/>Great so since your mythology can't be taught in school you shouldn't have to pay for any schooling? That's your logic? How about since it's a government backed public service, financed by a secular government where we are given the freedom of religion (including none if you so choose) we all pay for it? School and religion provide two completely different services. One is to educate our children so we don't remain next to last in virtually every category relating to education. The other one gives people a nice cozy feeling about their death. If you want your children to get an education so they can become productive members of our working class then send them to school. If you're kids are scared about death or you have no idea how to impart morals on your children without the fear of eternal fire and damnation then do so as you read them bible stories to get them to sleep at night. Oh wait you may not want to read the bible to your children it will probably scare the jesus right out of them.evil1dwkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05171245157962295023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-20672839111662417532009-01-26T00:21:00.000-06:002009-01-26T00:21:00.000-06:00Wow..take it easy there, Khan.<BR/>I get you. Rage..<BR/>I feel ur frustration. It is time to put thse books on "old history" shelves. It is abvious, there is no "god". There is no justice in this world.<BR/>How can you take that out of people's heads and re teach them what works for them?<BR/>we need Today's information. not some guy's who lived 4000-1000years ago.<BR/>I mean come' on.<BR/>Are we really that retarded?<BR/>Beliefs are comfortable to humans. They give them, hope. <BR/>How can you take that out of their system. Freedom of mind and self are very elusive and hard to reach. 99.9 % of people are not free. They just think they are, because are told to listen and believe. It is all a mental game for position and profit. No more no less.iBonsainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-58868637081906995062009-01-23T19:40:00.000-06:002009-01-23T19:40:00.000-06:00I am totally convinced, <BR/>" religious people of all types" are the embodiment of the evil they seem to want to escape from.<BR/>Religious or any indocternation of cildren anywhere, is the worst type of child abuse you can ever inflect on children.<BR/>You dump Fu@@#s, the religious garbage. all of you. from the oldest to the most recent. None is exempt. Shove it up ur @##. You are the cause of every tragedy on this planet. Your teachings robb innocent children from any sense of self, that they become useless, just like you. Do nothing good in this world. I have some bad news for you. There is nothing or no one wating for u r @$$ on the other side. I am going to be there, simply, I have the power over ur god to wish it so. When you appear at my feet with your bullshit that you carried all ur meager lives, I am going to spit shit all over you. and send you to the lowely and empty place that ur miserable existance requires. <BR/>I hate you, I hate your gods, I hate ur prophets. <BR/>I love jenny<BR/>XAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-41737880798986327772009-01-22T19:32:00.000-06:002009-01-22T19:32:00.000-06:00"No one is telling your children they can't be religious."<BR/><BR/>Once you stop forcing me to go to your schools (or to pay for them), we're all set.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-30876563515106955332009-01-09T18:47:00.000-06:002009-01-09T18:47:00.000-06:00"What if, instead of Bible study classes, public school had Koran study classes? Not so cool now, is it? People want prayer and religion in schools but only if it's their religion. I guarantee you if our government suddenly declared that all schools should have mandatory prayer time to Thor, the Christians would get their panties in a serious twist."<BR/><BR/>Yeah, is it ok to teach one mythology over the other as long as it's your version of mythology? What if it was someone else's beliefs being taught to your children. I'd like to see a response to that question.<BR/><BR/>"That raises an interesting point because even if Christianity was taught in schools - to the exclusion of the beliefs of the majority of Americans who aren't Christian (which would be undemocratic, and again, unconstitutional), which version would be taught? Catholic, Methodist, Jeahovah's Witness, Baptist?"<BR/><BR/>That's exactly why we NEED to remain a secular nation. If the schools or the government were to place one belief system over another you would effectively take away our constitutional (or as some may say our God given) right to religious freedom. Freedom of religion includes my freedom from your religious beliefs.<BR/><BR/>How about you pull your kids out of public school and place them in private catholic or christian school? How about home schooling them and teaching them all about creation. I don't want my children learning that garbage.<BR/><BR/>How about this if you really want to teach children about the bible in schools we'll put it in the classroom it belongs in. English class, right around the part where the kids learn about Greek and Roman mythology.<BR/><BR/>Keep your crap dogma away from me and my children. Have you ever actually read the bible (especially the old testament)? It's a horrible sorry about the killing of women and children, the justification of slavery, incest and outright cruelty.evil1dwkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05171245157962295023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-36726955383791387192009-01-09T10:36:00.000-06:002009-01-09T10:36:00.000-06:00That raises an interesting point because even if Christianity was taught in schools - to the exclusion of the beliefs of the majority of Americans who aren't Christian (which would be undemocratic, and again, unconstitutional), which version would be taught? Catholic, Methodist, Jeahovah's Witness, Baptist? <BR/>Who gets to decide? <BR/>There are so many branches of ID arguments, from those who agree the big bang happened but God caused it to those who think we walked with dinosaurs. And what about the Trinity? What about those who take the bible as allegory and those who take it literally? <BR/><BR/>Who gets to decide? <BR/><BR/>The *patriotic* answer would be the American people. But somehow I doubt that's of concern to neo-con fundamentals. <BR/><BR/>They seem to believe they are superior, are somehow privvy to a train of thought that is above the rest of us, so therefore they should get final say. <BR/><BR/>Which is ironically Darwinian for a bunch of Christians. <BR/><BR/>I'd love to see the demographics of Christian fundamentalists in the US. Most of them seem to have been born again and have simply made Jesus their newest addiction. To take that away, or have its validity threatened in any way terrifies them because it's all they've got. <BR/><BR/>But what do I know? I'm just a lunatic agnostic who believes EVERYONE should have the freedom to practice their religion, or lack of, as they see fit without interference from the state. <BR/><BR/>Hugs<BR/>Anna xxx<BR/><BR/>(sorry for the rambling, this issue gets to me!)Anna Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01950324339154028297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-1935876907564768372009-01-09T09:45:00.000-06:002009-01-09T09:45:00.000-06:00What's really funny is that the people who wanted prayer out of school in the first place were christians. The Catholics didn't see the Protestant prayers their kids were forced to say as being real ones. So, they fought to get prayer out of school so their kids wouldn't be worshiping a false god.Questor Thewshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04795121027632929938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-56916886749523218032009-01-09T08:39:00.000-06:002009-01-09T08:39:00.000-06:00@Anna<BR/>I think you have more knowledge of our constitution than a lot of Americans! <BR/><BR/>Many Christians in this country firmly believe that this is a 'Christian' Nation and willingly ignore anything that might say otherwise (The Treaty of Tripoli, for example). They aren't even aware that 'In God We Trust' didn't grace our currency until the 50's and it was a reaction against 'godless' communism. <BR/><BR/>It's too bad these kids are not getting a proper education. A little history lesson would do them, and their parents, wonders.Pariahjanehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15659204046693465182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-53033699218579904602009-01-08T23:23:00.000-06:002009-01-08T23:23:00.000-06:00"I'm not American, so forgive me if my knowledge of your constitution is off here. But. (yeah, I'm ok with but as a sentence) If the state insists Christianity is taught in schools and that is a violation of the First Amendment, is that... *unconstitutional*? Gasp!<BR/>These traitors. All this time hanging flags on their porches and worshipping Bush and it turns out they have no respect for the American constitution. Wouldn't that make them unpatriotic? Traitors even."<BR/><BR/>For a non American you have an amazing understanding of our constitution. More so, in fact, than some Americans.<BR/><BR/>"Or maybe they're just a bunch of idiots who haven't thought things through very well."<BR/><BR/>You also seem to have a great knowledge of a good portion of our population. As well as most religious fundamentalists and extremists for that matter.<BR/><BR/>What you neglect to understand is that Christian's believe that this country (much like heaven) is only for them and all others should leave. I mean come on our money says "In God we trust" and our national anthem say "Glod bless America." I mean doesn't that explain it well enough for you? It's the Christian God we trust and the Christian God that blessed America. All other Gods are welcome to go back to Iraq and join the Taliban or Al-Qaeda.<BR/><BR/>Not to say that I think all Christians are fundamentalist young earth creationist idiots forcing their brand of mythology on everyone. Religion can be a healthy thing. I just wish people would keep their beliefs to themselves.evil1dwkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05171245157962295023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-17691583798897281132009-01-08T22:20:00.000-06:002009-01-08T22:20:00.000-06:00I'm not American, so forgive me if my knowledge of your constitution is off here. But. (yeah, I'm ok with but as a sentence) If the state insists Christianity is taught in schools and that is a violation of the First Amendment, is that... *unconstitutional*? Gasp! <BR/>These traitors. All this time hanging flags on their porches and worshipping Bush and it turns out they have no respect for the American constitution. Wouldn't that make them unpatriotic? Traitors even. <BR/><BR/>Or maybe they're just a bunch of idiots who haven't thought things through very well. <BR/><BR/>Nice post. I only wish they'd listen. <BR/><BR/>Hugs<BR/>Anna xxxAnna Russellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01950324339154028297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-83437029544640813952009-01-08T21:33:00.000-06:002009-01-08T21:33:00.000-06:00"I try to keep an open mind, knowing what the public perceives as a sex offender is mostly lies, myths and hysteria promoted by the entertainment news media and politicians, who for ratings and votes will tell you want they want you to hear and in reference to sex offenders, they take very rare cases like Adam Walsh ans Jessica Lunsford and make everyone believe all sex offenders are predators. etc., etc."<BR/><BR/>Most states do make distinctions between a sexual offenders and a predators. A predator in Florida is considered either a violent offender or an adult offender with a child 14 years old or younger. The same applies in California. However, most people do not make that distinction. That doesn't really have much to do with policy though. But, I'm sorry I just can't agree with you. While we may need to modify some of the age restrictions or offenses that are considered sex offenses (older laws actually restricting certain acts even between consenting adults). I think we have a decent start to the law and we should actually have harsher penalties for some sexual predators. <BR/><BR/>"drug dealer, user who will sell to my children."<BR/><BR/>How about abolishing stupid drug laws that incarcerate users? How about taking away the ability for shady drug dealers to make money from illegal drug sales? The sales aren't going to stop unless the demand stops. Government taxed and controlled drug sales could fund support and rehabilitation for users rather than spending billions on more police and more prisons.<BR/><BR/>"Here is an idea. individuals with DUI's cannot live within 2000 feet of where alcohol is sold."<BR/><BR/>How about we force them to live within no less than 2000 feet so they can walk to alcohol instead of driving as well as taking away their right to drive forever?<BR/><BR/>"Now, if you want an effective registry, How about for DUI's."<BR/><BR/>Actually most state DMVs are linked with other states. For instance when I moved from California to Florida my licenses was suspended in California for an unpaid traffic ticket. I could not get a license in Florida until I cleared my unpaid California ticket. Not all states are linked with the other DMVs though.evil1dwkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05171245157962295023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-90975304225319728012009-01-08T13:06:00.000-06:002009-01-08T13:06:00.000-06:00Sheeple, they&#39;re all sheep who sit in pews year after year singing the same songs and hearing the same sermon.<BR/><BR/>I was one of them for years and had to break away and &quot;think&quot; for myself.<BR/><BR/>If you think religion is bad, politics mixed with religion is even worse. That is why I have chosen to be an advocate for sane laws based in truth.<BR/><BR/>Example:<BR/> <BR/><BR/>I try to keep an open mind, knowing what the public perceives as a sex offender is mostly lies, myths and hysteria promoted by the entertainment news media and politicians, who for ratings and votes will tell you want they want you to hear and in reference to sex offenders, they take very rare cases like Adam Walsh ans Jessica Lunsford and make everyone believe all sex offenders are predators. etc., etc.<BR/><BR/>If one considers the fact that these laws are based on the lie that recidivism is high, it is no wonder the public is experiencing a national hysteria.<BR/><BR/>From the U.S. Justice department.<BR/><BR/>Reports on the rearrest, reconviction, and reincarceration of former inmates who were tracked for 3 years after their release from prisons in 15 States in 1994.<BR/><BR/>Highlights include the following:<BR/><BR/>* Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%),<BR/><BR/>burglars (74.0%),<BR/><BR/>larcenists (74.6%),<BR/><BR/>motor vehicle thieves (78.8%),<BR/><BR/>those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%),<BR/><BR/>and those in prison for possessing, using, or selling illegal weapons (70.2%).<BR/><BR/>* Within 3 years, 2.5% of released rapists were arrested for another rape,<BR/><BR/>and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for homicide.<BR/><BR/>* The 272,111 offenders discharged in 1994 had accumulated 4.1 million arrest charges before their most recent imprisonment and another 744,000 charges within 3 years of release.<BR/><BR/>Teens are being put on the registries for consensual sex as predators, Tier III, the worst tier. www.rickyslife.com.<BR/><BR/>Ricky cannot find work due to his status. His mother Mary is blind and exists on $500.00 a month and is about to be evicted and cannot find a place to live in this cruel world<BR/><BR/>Here is a couple who fell in love 70 YEARS AGO for God&#39;s sake and they are being threatened with the registry.<BR/><BR/>Teen Love Turns to Tragedy - Sex may send them to prison!<BR/>http://cfcoklahoma.com/New_Site/index.php?option=com_fireboard&amp;Itemid=6&amp;func=view&amp;id=552&amp;catid=16#552.<BR/><BR/>Now, if you want an effective registry, How about for DUI&#39;s. Drunk drivers do have a high rate of recidivism and kill thousands of children each year. I would rather have a sex offender as a neighbor than a drug dealer, user who will sell to my children.<BR/><BR/>Or any of the above high recidivist.<BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>Here is an idea. individuals with DUI&#39;s cannot live within 2000 feet of where alcohol is sold. After all, we are a nation who loves to punish the masses for the acts of a few.MSLGWCEOhttp://www.cfcoklahoma.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-55976314565139818382009-01-08T11:53:00.000-06:002009-01-08T11:53:00.000-06:00BGH - I'm aware that 'but' isn't a sentence. <BR/><BR/>It was an attempt to make it imperative that, apparently, failed. <BR/><BR/>The post has been edited to remove the offending word.Pariahjanehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15659204046693465182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-14606887581755747692009-01-08T11:32:00.000-06:002009-01-08T11:32:00.000-06:00Technically Jen, Anon has a point. while a blog is more informal in nature "But." is not a sentence. A comma and a continuation of the may have worked but, as used it makes no sense. <BR/><BR/>Btw, I agree there is no indoctrination involved in secularism. Absence of religion is the default state we are born into and only after indoctrination do we become 'religious'.BGHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10402843775043257264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-21949945379028249932009-01-08T11:18:00.000-06:002009-01-08T11:18:00.000-06:00Omg. Awesome. <BR/><BR/>You should totally tweet it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-91134399468739157682009-01-08T11:15:00.000-06:002009-01-08T11:15:00.000-06:00Holy crow it's not?! I had no idea. (That's sarcasm, in case you missed it)<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the tip, grammar nazi. However, this is an informal post, not a dissertation.Pariahjanehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15659204046693465182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1873589110076248426.post-91421284290382152882009-01-08T11:13:00.000-06:002009-01-08T11:13:00.000-06:00"But."<BR/><BR/>... is not a sentence,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com